7 years ago
I started it, so I'll take the blame for the argument that's happening right now.
"You should then scroll down to my post and find that i didn't mention or use the word once."
I know you didn't. I brought it up because of what you said about men not having rights. (more on this later)
"Sure, I mean kids aren't a legit thing right? You're implying that raising a child isn't important, You're implying that children are worth less than a "real job". The sentiment is sickening. I know countless fathers who would rather be at home raising there children than working a job."
Dude, it's not ME that considers a stay-at home life bad, it's society in general. I was just telling you what a majority of our society thinks of stay-at-home parents. I hate it as much as you or the next person.
"What i ment with my point is that courts are more likely to give custody to the mother, Which is crushing for men. I mean he's a man, He doesn't love his kids. But oh no, The woman gets custody of her own flesh and blood. How opressive."
That's why I mentioned feminism, because women are trying to give men those rights. They're very aware that there's a double-standard. They're very aware they have the advantage in this situation, and I'm trying to tell you that it's feminists (who are mostly women) that are trying to fix it. Again, THAT'S why feminism came up at all.
(Me: Because of the sentiment that...) "I think this is a male rights issue. Infact i dont know why this was even raised. The point still stands and isn't funny or right."
Again, you misunderstand. It isn't ME that holds this opinion - I'm quoting (and mocking) people that do. (I know the "lmao" part overdid it, but I was angry. It's not an excuse, just a reason.)
"Woman stabs man and isn't arrested
Man being a woman in that situation sure sounds unfair and opressive."
Look dude, I agree that this is fucked up. I never said women should keep this advantage, either.
I COULD say, "Being a women in every other situation IS unfair," but that's not getting me anywhere.
"See this is where i stopped taking your post seriously, You straw manned my argument. What my argument was saying was that there is some prevention involved. I'm not saying in every case, Or even the majority."
I admit, it wasn't the best way to counter your argument. Really, I do agree that this is the real world and not everyone's going to be a good person, so women SHOULD take preventative measures, but I'm just saying, why the fuck can't we also start telling people not to rape? If women take preventative measures, why can't men be taught to prevent the shit that requires those preventative measures? Because it's unrealistic, or what?
"I never mentioned feminism. I was talking only about rights."
Again, I know you didn't mention feminism, I mentioned it to tell you that women are trying to get men these rights. It's slightly unrelated (slightly), but it lets you know that women care about the situations in which men are at a disadvantage. Most men, on the other hand, can only think of "Not all men!" when it comes to dealing with women that are at a disadvantage.
"Where in my post did i say there was equality? Why do you keep misrepresenting my argument and flat out making things up?"
"I think we already have equal rights between men and women" - Page 71, 2nd to last paragraph
And I'm very aware that that's not rest of the sentence (which was "If anything we need men to have more rights in terms of child custody and prison terms"), but even WITH that little tidbit, that doesn't prove that men have less in society than women. It means they have less in that particular category.
I do think it needs to be fixed just as much as you.
"Now hold the fuck up, Where in your post do you actually show me that MEN have more rights? You denounced my claim and go on some rant about feminism and rape rather than my claim about rights."
When I say "more rights," I mostly mean how society views men versus women. As for legal rights, I admit I don't know off the top of my head every single thing a man has over a women, or women over men. But even IF women and men suddenly got the same exact legal rights today, their status in society would still be drastically different.