8 years ago
EDIT: As usual, Bloo said everything I was trying to say better than I did and without writing a fucking novel about it. The whale thing in particular-nicely done.
@DW: OK, this ended up as a "in order to tell you that story I must tell you THIS story" kind of thing, so my apologies in advance. It's barely even a reaction to what you wrote at this point. Please feel free to correct me if I've misquoted you at all. I ramble a lot, so if you TL;DR me, I'll understand.
Saying that feminism as a concept is sexist because it concerns itself with women is kind of like saying the civil rights movement is racist because it largely sought to empower black people. This is the "Why isn't there a WHITE entertainment television, huh?!" argument.
When most sensible people talked about "black power," they were not suggesting that black people should be elevated above everyone else (there were exceptions, of course. They were suggesting that black people should be empowered (equal protection under the law, anti-discrimination measures, etc.), or, put it another way, raised up to the position of EQUALS with the white majority. That's different then some KKK fuckhead yelling "white power" because the context is completely fucked. One's saying "we should be empowered so that we can enjoy the same rights as everyone else," and the other is saying "hey, this having more rights than everyone else is pretty cool, let's keep doing that."
Black pride is about telling little girls that, no, your hair isn't disgusting just because it isn't straight and shiny. It's telling people "hey, we actually DON'T look like gorillas, and I get the feeling we could be just as good at the stuff white people do if we got a fair shake."
White pride is completely the opposite. "No but seriously, we're totally better than the other races. Fuck those guys." How can a little kid grow up being ashamed of being white? Batman is white. Superman is white. Every good guy on every TV show is white (this is starting to change, obviously, but emphasis on "starting") most authority figures (police, government, businessmen-Hell, The President until very recently) are white. White is the assumed norm. We're already plenty represented and empowered; we don't need to be told we aren't scum, because the overwhelming cultural narrative doesn't suggest that to begin with.
Similar deal with feminism. Since the sexes weren't equal, there was a need to elevate women to an equal position in society. They were saying, in effect, "We women should be of an equal position to men." The concept is that women should be treated with the respect that men already were. Is the word kind of a vestigial flipper from another time? Yes. Are some branches of feminism completely retarded? Holy shit yes. That doesn't mean the whole thing was a bad idea. Forget the clunky word for a second. The feminist MOVEMENT is largely of the opinion that women and men should be afforded equal rights and respect.
Actually, I'll even defend the word on the basis that any women's rights movement will necessarily be dealing with issues like marriage, pregnancy, abortion rights, etc etc etc. The idea is that men and women should be equal. Getting to that idea requires changing the position of women in society. That's where feminism comes in.
So now that I've written a goddamn thesis paper, DID ANYONE SEE THE PLANET OF THE APES TRAILER HOLY SHIT.
@Concrete: "Cisgender" doesn't mean you're scum. It isn't an insult; It's a completely neutral term signalling that (forgive the touchy-feely hippy words) your gender identity and your biological sex match. It basically means "people who aren't transgender." The idiot you were talking to equates that with being "scum" because they are very stupid.