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2016-06-18 19:23:31
Posted in main, and Picard does. No matter what, he could show up to a funeral and make everyone happy.

I'm very particular in my words~Pagan min

Veteran Runner Of the Shadow Serpents
2016-06-21 04:07:25

You arent wrong, but you have to realize this guy was also

- a government employee
- never had any evidence found against him

The capacity of a federal government to deny rights on a SUSPICION of guilt is not only unconstitutional but so antithetical to democracy that it would surely destroy what we've built.

Also, my personal belief is that the shooter was in fact gay, but his religious beliefs and seemingly abusive father caused a sebere dissonance that triggered a violent act.

Also, I think its wrong to not attribute anything to the brand of islam the family of the shooter followed. No, islam is not bad. Islam is basically just a text- the Quran. Its the intrpretation of it, mostly a common one in the middle east itself unfortunately, that is bad. "Radical christianity" has also been at fault on many occasions, but islam takes the blame for this one.
2016-06-22 16:29:19
If my posts suggested I was blaming Islam as a whole, than I communicated poorly; that wasn't my intention at all. I would argue, however, that fundamentalist readings of Islam would probably not be kind to the LGBTQ community, in the same sense that a fundamentalist reading of Christianity wouldn't. Bronze Age thinking, regardless of the origin, is not conducive to modern multicultural live-and-let-live society.

As to the rights issue, I don't think the ability to purchase military-grade weaponry with zero oversight is some unalienable civil right. I also wouldn't describe multiple domestic violence arrests, a history of instability, and being thrown out of a nightclub repeatedly for aggressive behavior as merely "suspicious."

These aren't baseless suspicions pulled out of the ether; these are specific, tangible documented red flags that are part of a wider pattern of observable behavior. The fact he was interviewed twice by the FBI is just sort of the icing on the cake, the point is that if there were ANY kind of background check or mental health evaluation involved in the purchase, this guy wouldn't have passed. With basic, common sense measures in place, this piece of shit doesn't get an AR-15.

All I'm suggesting is that, in light of the epidemic of mass shootings seemingly unique to this country, a person with this many violent arrests and an unstable history shouldn't be able to obtain a military-grade weapon as easily as he did.

Hell, maybe the attack would have happened no matter what. But would he have killed 50 people with just a handgun? I have personally seen people walking around with a pistol strapped to their waist who I wouldn't trust with a plastic spork, let alone a gun.

I just don't understand the big goddamn deal about this. People-in many cases those same people walking around a grocery store with a giant silver handgun in a police-style chest holster-seem to have absolutely no problem with the government violating literally every other civil right they have, yet trying to stop maniacs from getting machine guns is somehow this huge attack on liberty.

The same politicians who are railing against gun control happily supported the Patriot Act and warrentless wiretapping and drone strikes that kill civilians and illegal "wars" and bailing out banks and treating marijuana like fucking heroin and stop-and-frisk and police militarization and torture and making same-sex marriage illegal and legalizing trans harassment and blatant racial profiling and random police checkpoints and continuing to raid marijuana dispensaries in states where it's LEGAL and all but banning abortion and forcing religious propaganda into public schools and making it nigh-impossible to get healthcare and selling off bits of national infrastructure to SAUDI FUCKING ARABIA and letting corporations just do whatever they want and gerrymandering and accusing their opponents of not being patriotic enough and opposing any checks and balances for law enforcement and going out of their way to cause international incidents and "signing statements" and making it more difficult to legally immigrate AND AND AND AND AND

^ THESE are the people who are concerned about your rights? The people who have violated damn near every article of the Constitution? The people who tanked the economy and sent all the jobs overseas? The people who wanna stick their nose into every aspect of your personal life?


The government could start herding people into camps tomorrow, as long as they let leave the guns alone, no one would care. It really is unbelievable.

tl;dr: shit fucked up.
2016-06-22 20:42:29
A semi-automatic rifle is not millitary grade by any means. The media consitently lies about the shootings, including the gun used (Sauer MX, not an AR-15), the capabilities of the weapon (in that time, one person could not kill 50 people).

In addition, the primary role of the right to bear arms (and organize millita) is to defend against government. This requires weaponry capable of some resistance to other modern weaponry. Based on our recent political history, I think we need that.
2016-06-23 11:29:52
Semantics. Maybe the gun wasn't military grade, but it was certainly more firepower than belongs in the hands of a lunatic. It's a weapon that kills a shit-ton of people quickly and easily. Isn't that enough?

As to your second point, I agree. I have no problem with sane, responsible people owning weaponry. Neither of those things were true in this case. Waiting lists and background checks are not to stop the average person from buying a hunting rifle; they're to stop psychotic people from going on shooting sprees in public places.

Someone with multiple violent arrests, explosive anger, and mental health issues who has publicly expressed views sympathizing with ISIS and been investigated twice by the FBI should not be able to purchase a weapon-what-kills-lotsa-peeps with the ease that he did.
2016-06-23 11:37:26
Well in AZ i know there is a law that if you have mental instabilities or anything of that sort on record you are not allowed to own any sort of weapon.

I'm very particular in my words~Pagan min

Veteran Runner Of the Shadow Serpents
2016-06-23 12:42:36
The issue is, both FBI investigations turned up nothing. Without evidence, how could they take away his rights? Its important that only abjury can do that.
2016-06-24 00:30:35
Again, the FBI thing was icing on the cake; we was arrested for domestic violence multiple times, was on record as having terrorist sympathies, destroyed his first marriage, and was dangerously unstable. These are not suspicions; they are specific, documented facts.

I'm not suggesting his rights be taken away. I'm suggesting common sense. A background check before purchase of a firearm would've raised a ton of red flags. Violent nutjobs should not have easy access to firearms. To be sure, gun control measures alone won't put an end to this problem... I'm just saying they sure as shit wouldn't hurt.
2016-06-24 03:23:16
A little on topic but worth the watch

King of the Drones
Life is long but the Day is short
2016-06-24 08:35:16
Holy shit brexit.

I wonder what concrete thinks
2016-06-25 00:31:43
If all the guns disappeared, or never existed in the first place, we'd still be slaughtering each other. Just the old way.

Just a sad fucked up world we live in unfortunately.

2016-06-25 03:23:04
"If all the guns disappeared, or never existed in the first place, we'd still be slaughtering each other. Just the old way."

Sad fact there skull-ripper, humanity would still be slaughtering one another either way. If all weapons ceased to exist we'd still be just as violent and savage as we are now and while I do hope one day things will get better I don't see that happening at all in the near future. All of us will likely have died by the time things really improve so perhaps our children or their children will experience this new dream world were violence is pretty nonexistent. Or for the those of us who have/want kids, once I'm gone I'm gone I will leave behind no legacy and I'm fine with this. I'm actually glad, I feel bad having my pets in this kind of world as it is and I'd feel worse if my child was in this mess. But in the end we'll still be killing each other of damn near everything. We'll kill people for not following one random religion, we'll kill people because of their race, we'll kill people because of their gender, we'll kill people because of their sexual orientation and we'll kill people simply for accidently bumping into us or out of boredom. If you want my honest opinion on this there is no "X group has it worse", we're all in the same boat here and we're eating each other alive like starving rats.

I've gone from being a proud American to completely and totally disillusioned and ashamed, I mean look at the state of things. Look who our front-runners are; a lying sociopathic bitch who leaked information and as a result got innocent people killed. Yet in Joe Average did half the things she's done he'd be in a hole in Siberia somewhere or in the black-site completely erased from the face of the planet as far as documents and records are concerned. And then there's Trump, look I'm all for boarder security and being careful about who gets in the country but the guy is an ass pure and simple. Plus we have a current President that is doing fuck all the fix things and is pandering to the every whim of the useless outrageous whiny entitled populace that wants trigger warnings for a mere civil disagreement! We are literally scrapping the bottom of the barrel here! But there's nothing we can do about, maybe I should give up hope that one day someone will. What's the fucking point anyway?

Heathen heart, rebel mind and a twisted soul.
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