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2010-02-08 05:49:38

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Yep ok no worries then. Don't mean to alarm you. I would have thought you would have appreciated more accurate plots etc. Don't mean anything by it.

2010-02-08 10:31:04

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Ain't nothin wrong with a good plot, but AVP to me is a popcorn movie dogg. It don't really matter there, as long as I feel that the movie is entertaining enough, then I appreciate it and AVP and AVP-R were both very entertaining. Like I said earlier too, I've always been more of a Predator fan than Alien fan, because imo the first Alien is too damn slow, Aliens is classic, but that one also has a slow beginning, but what saves that movie for me is what happens in the second hour.
When I went to see AVP I didn't expect to see a big ground breaking award winner, except for maybe the special FX, no I expected to see a good action movie with my favorite species of all time, the Yautja kick a bunch of Xeno Ass and that I did get to see (at least in the second one, Wolf is my favorite predator). I didn't care for the first one until I saw the directors cut, the first one I always got pissed when the predators died so fast, that shit sucked big time, but thank god for Scar, at least he kinda knew what he was doing....
As for Predators, I'm really looking forward for this movie, and I don't expect it to be a major sophisticated drama or ground breaking award winner either, I'm just happy to see the Yautja tear out a few spines and collect some nice trophies! I watch these movies for the action and special FX.

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2010-02-08 18:42:16

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Ahh well that explains a lot. I personally like more depth in movies and popcorn movies gets fastforwarded pretty fast (in case someone remembers the VHS times lol). In fact I hate almost all movies with lot of FX 'cos they look unreal, actors act very stiff and unrealistic, and the plot is replaced by thousands of jumping things getting blasted away by other thing... BORING! Even old school brainless splatter movies tend to have more plot than nowadays 'masterpieces', which is kind of sad 'cos it gives you the image of nowadays people's urge to get their brains turned off-mode like head would be just bowl of morning porridge.

I honestly can't see any of the predator cunning and superiority in the avps', nor the horror of unknown parasitic being of aliens. The mood of dark pressuring atmosphere or superior hunter of humans simply doesn't exist if the actors act bad and the plot is something ripped out from the ass. The movie just loses it's credibility in my eyes when you can't get into it, nor you care what happens to the characters (even to the "things" I often relate to). It just makes you wish everybody would die soon and the movie would end.

But that's just my opinion.

2010-02-08 20:33:20

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Well, the AvP movies was made for the younger audience, than for the old fans who like the classics. Because the directors of the AvP movies wanted to introduce the franchise to them. But also making the 'plots' a bit easier for them to understand, by just showing "They did this and that, so thats why they slaughter each other. End of story." Because they know thats enough for the younger audience who is just after action and effects. Than what the old fans are after, who might wonder how everything was created, and make tons of topics on internet sites to discuss how an alien egg manage to open it self when the facehugger crawls out.

But it is pretty easy to please the younger audience, when mixing two of the major things teenagers love these days... Romance and Action.

In AvP-R, it had the typical teenage love conflict thingy, where some nerd has feelings for a 'sexy' bimbo who was stupid enough to get together with a steroid junkie, who is also a jackass towards the nerd dude. It's in almost every teenage movie these days. And still teenagers love it, even if they've seen it in all their favorite movies. And thats why AvP-R become a 'horror' movie with teenagers, who you wouldn't care less about. Just like in the Jason movies...

And it works completely fine for the directors, as they get their cash, and the audience get something... Epic we other don't understand much of when wondering where the plot is, after seeing "sharks with lasers on their heads." (Had to use that quote again.)

I wouldn't doubt that AvP3 becomes something like this:

The main character is a male predator, whos name is Ed'ward. And he is together with a female human, named Bulla, who tries to convince him she loves him, while he is whining that they shouldn't be together due to their diferences. And this is the first hour of the movie, which is basically just whining from both sides.

Then a evil female predator appears and see all this, and get jealous of their love, and also disgusted that her own kind is together with a human. So she unleashes hell upon them both by releasing aliens into the town (without explaining why), and the male predator needs to save the day by killing them all, but instead falls in love with the alien Queen, and they both tries to keep it as a secret with more whining. Since the predator doesn't want to hurt Bulla. And the Queen doesn't want to shock her 250 kids, since they are still mourning over the alpah male who got hit by a truck, or something...

Then suddenly Bulla finds out about this and gets heart broken, and tries to shoot Ed'ward with a gun. But the female predator jumps in front of him to take the bullet, saving him. And tells him she did it because she found out he was her long lost brother, etc, etc.

Ed'ward then apologizes to Bulla and the alien Queen, and says he cannot be together with any of them. Because he is actually homosexual, and in love with Bulla's father, who is not her real father. But her mothers rapist.

And in the end they all play baseball together! ^__^

Thats my second opinion.

2010-02-08 20:53:22

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Actually that plot sounded rather good << jk lol

I do wonder tho why they shove that "teenager love" thing into everything. It just doesn't work, it makes you gag in disgust when you're under 13 (BOYBUGS YACK!) and when you're older than 13 it makes you be like wtf who wrote this crap. I wonder what kind of people it's actually directed to.

2010-02-08 22:15:52

Human - Dark Blood Organization

Well AvPR was probably made for the 19 year old American who works as a pizza delivery guy and has always had a crush on a girl who is the biggest douche's girlfriend but is secretly a nice girl because all nice girls have douche boyfriends because nice secretly means retarded. And it tries to show them that they should not be afraid to pursue their love because you never know when a fucking predator pinns her to a fucking wall man. :'( So sad, so true.

(at 13?? shit more like 4 or 5?)

2010-02-09 01:10:26

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You know what, I really have to agree with you guys on that, that teenage love shit in AVPR was really bad, I mean they could've skipped that all together and just followed his older brother, the cop, the army chick and her daughter. That would've worked way better... The first AVP is superior to AVP-R IMO, but I still like em both, just in different ways. And by the way, I am an old school Predator fan, saw the first predator in theaters with my uncle when I was 6 or 7, yeah it was R rated, but my folks let me see everything, I grew up on Freddy, Jason, Michael, Predator, Terminator and Aliens and to this day, those are my favorite franchises ever....

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2010-02-09 03:42:13

Human - Dark Blood Organization

Growing up on Freddy and Jason would explain why you preffer an action movie over a horror movie. Don't get me wrong, i love Freddy and Jason, but they're not horror movies, they're just... well, slaughter movies, like AvPR. I like that kind of movie but i wouldn't say they're better than a real horror. Not that there are many of those out there.

What you call "slow" about Alien is called building tension, and that's how you make a horror movie, by making the people who watch it feel uneasy.

2010-02-09 06:38:43

Yautja

Short and sweet, I'm interested in the movie. Not overly pumped because after AvP, it won't be the same.

2010-02-09 09:23:01

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I guess all the directors who have to put that love conflict in all their movies, have had similar experience in real life, so they have to tell the world about their problems. Or, they just do it to make them self feel better about them self when the loser guy gets the 'sexy' babe.

And what DW said...

But at least the aliens, or the predator, didn't start to sparkle in AvP-R...

2010-02-09 13:33:06

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Well Death Wraith, I do agree with you there, Freddy and Jason are just slaughter movies, just like the original Predator movies and I think Predators is going to be something similar, at least I hope. I still don't know why the Predators are kidnapping people to take them to their home planet, because that doesn't make since, but I have an open mind so I'll watch it.
I don't have the greatest expectations on this movie, because for 1, they changed the Predator planet from the hot firey looking planet that we saw in AvP-R to a Jungle planet and there's oxygen on the planet too, but we've come to learn that Yautja doesn't breath oxygen and that's why they use their masks. What I am looking forward to in this movie though is the hunt and the action and I'm hoping for the best, keeping my fingers crossed they don't screw it up...

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2010-02-12 13:14:31

Yautja - Dark Blood Organization

AVPR was such a horrible movie. If Paul W S Anderson directed it it would have been a great movie. After all he directed all three Resident Evil films and they were good, got good reviews to. AVPR just mad a lot of Alien/Predator fans angry and want their money back. I hope if they do a third one they won't hire idiots this time.

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